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Old 07-11-2010, 04:10 PM   #1
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Hey I was wondering if a 1997 Grand Prix 3800 Series II Motor would be compatible with a 1996 Base model Firebird.
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Grand Prix's are front wheen drive and therefore have a transverse engine.
It won't fit in an f-body
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Yea - front-wheel drive not compatible with rear-wheel drive. The front-wheel drive motors are sideways and mounted different.
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Yea - front-wheel drive not compatible with rear-wheel drive. The front-wheel drive motors are sideways and mounted different.
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Grand Prix's are front wheel drive and therefore have a transverse engine.
It won't fit in an f-body
FALSE.

the engines are exactly the same. the mounts are different, but they are not part of the engine. the accessories are different, but they are not a part of the engine. loads of people on FullThrottleV6.com - V6 Camaro, Firebird, Grand Prix, and Mustang Tech Forums have used transverse mounted engines in f-bodies.

if you have an fbody engine that is blown, you cna re-use the accessories from it on a Grand Prix's engine. the computer and wiring harnesses can be re-used as well.
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FALSE.

the engines are exactly the same. the mounts are different, but they are not part of the engine. the accessories are different, but they are not a part of the engine. loads of people on FullThrottleV6.com - V6 Camaro, Firebird, Grand Prix, and Mustang Tech Forums have used transverse mounted engines in f-bodies.

if you have an fbody engine that is blown, you cna re-use the accessories from it on a Grand Prix's engine. the computer and wiring harnesses can be re-used as well.
Huh, did not know this. Thought so at first but everyone always says they're different so I assumed it was the case. I do like the 3.8 though, has a good amount of pep, even in our Impala

So in that case, sounds like you can use the engine itself, just gotta have all the hookups from the Bird still.
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for anyone that doubts the 3.8, I direct you to this video: posted in another thread, but here it is
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So seeing that the GP motor will work in a F-body can you use the GTP motor or just the supercharger from it in a F-body. I always wanted to try this on my 96 but I sold it and bought a formula before I could.
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So seeing that the GP motor will work in a F-body can you use the GTP motor or just the supercharger from it in a F-body. I always wanted to try this on my 96 but I sold it and bought a formula before I could.
No you cant. With the way the M90 is set up, the throttle body would be in the firewall. Some people have fabricated them to work in an fbody but it takes a lot of work.
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So seeing that the GP motor will work in a F-body can you use the GTP motor or just the supercharger from it in a F-body. I always wanted to try this on my 96 but I sold it and bought a formula before I could.
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No you cant. With the way the M90 is set up, the throttle body would be in the firewall. Some people have fabricated them to work in an fbody but it takes a lot of work.
this, you can make it work, but its almost pointless unless you are very good at fabricating and have all the right tools and equipment.

Also remember that just the engine itself will work in your car. You will need all acc. and intake manifolds. You can use N/A grand prix heads, but can not use GTP heads.
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Yup, they are all right, you just have to keep your old accessories and Intake. The GTP S/C CAN work, you just have to route it right. This Cheap supercharger kit - LS1TECH is one way.
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I know the components are the same - lol - common knowledge there. 3.8L is a 3.8L. It's front wheel and rear wheel that's the difference.
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I know the components are the same - lol - common knowledge there. 3.8L is a 3.8L. It's front wheel and rear wheel that's the difference.
Hello, I thought the starter was on the wrong side and I thought the motor would crank the other way.
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How would you get the FWD engine to work on a RWD transmission? And how about a manual, which the grand prix's didn't even come in?
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Cool

What we need here is blueprints of the fwd and bwd engines for 3.8
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How would you get the FWD engine to work on a RWD transmission? And how about a manual, which the grand prix's didn't even come in?

It will bolt right on. If you are putting a manual transmission on a Grand Prix motor make sure you put a pilot bearing in. The blocks are the same. The accessories and upper intake are different.
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It will bolt right on. If you are putting a manual transmission on a Grand Prix motor make sure you put a pilot bearing in. The blocks are the same. The accessories and upper intake are different.
correct. The only difference between the two (FWD and RWD) is:
1. Orientation (Latitudinal or Longitudinal)
2. Upper Intake Manifold
3. Placement of Coil Packs

and actually, I think that the accessories are the same.
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So what years should I be looking at for this FWD BLOCK to fit into 95 firebird 3.8 auto
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