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Old 10-07-2010, 02:39 AM   #1
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Question Do the power seats have a relay?

Do the power seats have a relay?
Mine are not working and I've tried the circuit breaker fuse in the dash and it's not that just wandering if it has a relay in the engine bay I could try swapping or something, thanks
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DEFOG/SEATS -
Rear Defogger Switch/Timer,
Rear Defogger Timer/Relay,
Power Seats
#12 I believe.

Might just be the wiring under your seats, the motors themselves, or a leak in one of the air lines. I'm running a similar issue with getting my bolsters/lumbar to work. The actual seat moving works fine however.
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DEFOG/SEATS -
Rear Defogger Switch/Timer,
Rear Defogger Timer/Relay,
Power Seats
#12 I believe.

Might just be the wiring under your seats, the motors themselves, or a leak in one of the air lines. I'm running a similar issue with getting my bolsters/lumbar to work. The actual seat moving works fine however.
Yea I'm gonna try that #12 today, but I took the driver seat out it looked all connected but no noise hum nothing but I'll try that relay today tho
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DEFOG/SEATS -
Rear Defogger Switch/Timer,
Rear Defogger Timer/Relay,
Power Seats
#12 I believe.
#12 is not a relay it is a 30amp breaker.
Seats are powered even with the ignition off.

You might check the fuseable links: http://shbox.com/1/fusible.jpg
Also, here is a power set wiring diagram: http://shbox.com/1/pwr_seat_schematic.jpg
There is no relay.
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#12 is not a relay it is a 30amp breaker.
Seats are powered even with the ignition off.

You might check the fuseable links: http://shbox.com/1/fusible.jpg
Also, here is a power set wiring diagram: http://shbox.com/1/pwr_seat_schematic.jpg
There is no relay.
Well in that case I tried the #12 already wasn't that, how can u tell if a fusible link is good or bad
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Well in that case I tried the #12 already wasn't that, how can u tell if a fusible link is good or bad
look at it, lol.
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look at it, lol.
I know how to tell if a fuse is good or bad but a fuse able link Looks as if the fuse part is under shrink wrap, idk I could be wrong but Im looking at mine and can't tell if they're all good all bad or what
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oh, well, do you have access to a multi-meter?
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oh, well, do you have access to a multi-meter?
Yea I have a multi meter
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Yea I have a multi meter
check continuity from one side of the wire to the other.

put it on ohms, and get one lead on one side of the wire, the other lead on the other side. if it gives a reading, its good.
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check continuity from one side of the wire to the other.

put it on ohms, and get one lead on one side of the wire, the other lead on the other side. if it gives a reading, its good.
Those shrink wrap things won't budge to get the meter needles up there so short of cutting into them I can't get a reading



These are what they look like
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okay, do what i said, but where the wire crimps into the connector, connect one lead to that and another to a body ground... i think that should tell you.
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Use the multimeter, set to read voltage, to see if there is power to the connectors under the seats.
I think I recommended this approach a few answers back.
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Use the multimeter, set to read voltage, to see if there is power to the connectors under the seats.
I think I recommended this approach a few answers back.
Ok I used the multi meter and didn't get any volts under the seat, got ohms but no volts, so is that the fusible links? And how do you replace those and check which ones are bad out of the bunch? Thanks again
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It Might be a fuseable link issue.
You need to find a diagram for the links to see what they are for.
Normally if they have failed they are melted and burned looking.

Probe the fuse panel with the seats breaker out and see if there is power there.
One side of the breaker connector should be hot, at all times, even with ignition off.
Here's a seat schematic for a firebird: http://shbox.com/1/1995_firebird_pwr_seat_schematic.jpg
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Yes there is power at the fuse panel,
And here is a pic of my buttons which I think is different than some vie seen of that matters


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Those buttons are just like mine.
Power at the fuse panel eliminates the fusible link possibility.
Sounds like a disconnect between the fuse panel and the leads to the seats.
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Those buttons are just like mine.
Power at the fuse panel eliminates the fusible link possibility.
Sounds like a disconnect between the fuse panel and the leads to the seats.
What should they control lumbar support? Or?

And how do I go about fixing or checking that
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What should they control lumbar support? Or?

And how do I go about fixing or checking that
Lumbar support and also the sides of the backrest move in and out.
The sides are what the lateral bladders are for. Did you look at the seat schematic at the link I posted?

As for checking it out, just start tracing wires from the fuse panel to the seats.
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Yea I looked at the schematic gonna pull the seat and start tracing the wire from the fuse panel to it maybe I'll get lucky
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