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The Official Exhaust & Muffler Information Thread!

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Due to the increase in the number of muffler and exhaust threads so I figured it's about time to make an ''Official" Exhaust info thread to help everyone out and cut down on the amount of duplicate threads made. I'm not going to crunch the HP numbers and include dyno sheets to build YOU the perfect exhaust, this is strictly for people who simply do not know a lot about the exhaust system and have questions about their cars. However, you can easily build your perfect exhaust system by using this as a resource.

If you have any exhaust related questions that I did not answer, feel free to post a message in this thread!

The Basics:
Factory exhaust systems are designed to evacuate exhaust from the engine & to reduce noise. Obviously. But when we are trying to squeeze out more horsepower, reduce weight, and make our cars sound good, there's no way the stock system will cut it. The exhaust system includes manifolds (headers when aftermarket), catalytic converters, mid pipes, mufflers, and tips; all of which has a big impact on performance & sound!

Manifolds/headers:
Stock manifolds are primarily made from cast iron and weigh quite a bit. They are also very restricting so upgrading to headers tends to offer most gain in the power department.

Before I get into popular header choices/brands, you first need to know which headers you want to buy as there are 2 main/most popular styles. Shorty & Long Tubes (LTs). Both offer a gain over the stock set up and are only separated by a 5-10 horsepower difference between each other. Shorties tend to be simpler to install and easier to use with catalytic converters. LTs however have the advantage due to a better collector design and scavenging. The choice is yours, just remember both are much better than stock!!!

Shorties


Long Tubes


Popular header brands are, Kooks, American Racing Headers, Pacesetter, BBK, & Dynamax.

*Some states have very strict emissions regulations/requirements and upgrading to LTs may be illegal. Check with your state laws before buying/installing headers!*

Catalytic Converters/Mid pipes/ORY:
All cars came with catalytic converters as it's mandatory. They clean the exhaust of harmful chemicals and reduce emissions. Without cats, you can free up a few horsepower but in turn you get a strong smell from the exhaust, not to mention in most places in the USA, it's illegal to run without them. To have the best of both worlds, legal and slightly more free flowing, you can buy aftermarket 'high-flow' cats. Most popular are Magnaflow & SLP cats which should be 50 state legal.

If you choose to go catless, you'll need mid pipes also known as an Off Road Y pipe (ORY) which are pipes that connect from your headers into the Y on back.

ORY


Mufflers:
These play the biggest role in how your car will sound. Once more, the factory muffler is designed with only noise reduction in mind. Choosing which muffler(s) to get depends entirely on YOUR preference. Do you want deep? rumbly? crackly? obnoxious? classic muscle chambered sound? a combination of these??

Packed Mufflers
Some of the popular packed muffler choices are Magnaflow, Borla, Pypes Race Pro & Dynomax Ultraflow because of their design. These mufflers usually have a straight through perforated tube inside a case packed with materials like fiberglass, basalt, steel wool etc. to absorb high pitch frequencies, useful for the V6 engines because of their tendency to sound high pitched and thin. On V8s, they sound conservative (depending on case size[smaller cases like bullets or glasspacks have less packing so they are much louder]), have a very deep tone, and roar when the hammer is down.

Packed mufflers


Bullets
Bullet style mufflers are smaller, lightweight, and straight through so they flow the best. These are similar to the packed mufflers in that they have a straight through perforated or louvered core tube with a packing around it. Difference is, there isn't a whole lot of that packing so they are much louder and tend to crackle and pop. Some popular brands of these mufflers are Magnaflow Magnapacks, Glasspacks (Cherrybomb, Thrush, Purple Hornies), Borla XR-1, Pypes M80s, etc.

Bullets


Chambered Mufflers
The other option is chambered mufflers. These mufflers don't flow very well due to their design as they consist of series' of chambers the exhaust must pass through in order to exit. It creates the great classic muscle car rumble because of the exhaust bouncing around back and forth inside the chambers. They sound very good, but again don't flow very well. Popular chambered mufflers are Spintech, Pypes Street Pro, Hooker Aerochamber, & Flowmaster 80 series. Chambered mufflers typically cause a lot of drone (resonance or vibration noises inside the cabin) at certain RPMs. Some more than others (Flowmaster are notorious for it), yet all muffler designs CAN cause some drone.

Chambered mufflers


Pipe sizes:
The overall size of the exhaust tubing plays a big role in not only sound but performance. Tubing too small can choke the engine. The F-Body has a Y pipe format which means that exhaust from two different sides of the motor dump into one pipe that goes all the way back. In this situation, it's ideal to use larger diameter tubing all they way back for best flow.

Exhaust Cut-Outs:
Cut-outs are used for two purposes. Making your exhaust extremely obnoxiously loud & to by-pass restrictive pipes/systems. Cut-outs can be fully electronic, mechanical, or the manual cap style. In some cases, you may notice loss of low end torque when the cut-outs are open. This may be due to the extreme lack of backpressure thus mostly benefiting vehicles with highly restrictive exhaust systems or extremely modified. However with that said, their horsepower/torque gains can be debated. Of the 3 types of cut-outs, there are 2 styles. Standard and low profile.

Low Profile Cut-Out


FAQ

What is better, a cat-back system or axle back? That answer is up to you and how much you have to spend. For a relatively stock or bolt on engine just a muffler change/axle back is best due to cost savings and the sound change. A cat-back system is good for increasing the overall diameter of your exhaust system to improve flow but can cost much more.

What size exhaust should I use?
This depends on a few different factors. Is your engine heavily modified (bored, stroked, cam'd)? What type of induction are you using (nitrous, supercharger, turbo)? Since the F-Body uses a Y system, it's best to go larger (at least 3" back) because you have ALL of the engines exhaust going through ONE pipe which can be restricting. On cars with true dual pipes, 2.5" is perfect, with 3" being overkill unless your engine is stroked/heavily modified and/or using forced induction. Just remember, too small and too large of a pipe can hurt performance!! It's all about maintaining the ideal amount of backpressure!

What is better, full length exhaust to the back of the car or cut off under the car?
Either. The biggest difference between the two is volume. With the exhaust cut off somewhere under the car (before the rear axle is a popular location) the exhaust will be louder due to it's outlet being in the center of the car. One downfall to that is the force from the exhaust exiting can kick up dust and dirt from the road making your car dirty quicker. Exhaust that is routed all the way to the back of the car will be just as loud, however it will be considerably quieter toward the middle and front of the car, because all of that exhaust is being directed behind you. As for performance, they're pretty much the same. If there is a HP gain, it would only be like 1HP and would come from dumping the exhaust as early as possible.

Any questions, feel free to search through our forums to see if the question hasn't been asked/answered already, and check out videos on youtube and in our exhaust clip thread for exhaust tone ideas!
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Is a 2.5" collector holding my headers back?

I think I should send them back bc it's supposed to have 3" collector

Also you guys are awesome! Sorry I have so many questions haha
If you ordered 3" I would send them back for what you ordered if you accidentally ordered 2.5 I would just keep them. You aren't pushing enough power to warrant 3" pipes just like the majority of cars on here. Obviously some are excluded so don't get upset anyone. 2.5" is plenty for what most people need.

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Thanks I contacted them about the mixup and hopefully they'll get back to me soon.

Would I be missing out on immediate hp gains on a 2.5" exhaust.

Not potential hp in the future but gains right now
No, because as of now you don't need the pipe to be that large a common misconception is that a bigger pipe makes more power and that is true to a point. The problem is you can go too big and it can actually make it work worse for you. The jump from 2.5" to 3" won't hurt performance, it just won't be a difference in how you feel it drive. What I mean by that is if you bought the magnaflow catback in 2.5" and then bought the exact same one in 3" the performance differences wouldn't be noticed. It expands the ceiling of future HP mods to have the larger diameter pipe though.

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It all has to do with back pressure. Like blowing thru a straw versus blowing thru a paper towel roll. More pressure is better. If you do FI then bigger diameter would be feasible.

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Just to add to that, more pressure is better to a point.

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Can some one explain the egr thing to me.. ive been told i need headers with egr.. ???

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Can some one explain the egr thing to me.. ive been told i need headers with egr.. ???

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If your State has emissions testing, you will need EGR... The EGR is part of the emission system.

EGR = Exhaust Gas Recirculate valve ..... The valve directs a small portion of exhaust gasses back into the inlet air charge and lowers the maximum temperature of the burning fuel. The valve makes sure that the EGR system is off at idle, where it would lead to erratic and loping idle, and at peak power, since adding exhaust gasses robs power from the engine.

Besides reducing pollution and lowering combustion chamber temperature, recirculating exhaust also has the effect of lowering pumping losses. Pumping losses are the work the engine must do to pump the inlet air past the throttle plate. Since EGR lowers power the throttle must be opened wider for a give desired power, meaning the throttle opening is wider so the engine doesn't have to work as hard to inhale the air.
Moreover, with a lower combustion chamber temperature there is less heat loss to the metal walls of the cylinder, the piston, and the cylinder head so that more internal heat is retained to be converted into mechanical work.
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If your State has emissions testing, you will need EGR... The EGR is part of the emission system.

EGR = Exhaust Gas Recirculate valve ..... The valve directs a small portion of exhaust gasses back into the inlet air charge and lowers the maximum temperature of the burning fuel. The valve makes sure that the EGR system is off at idle, where it would lead to erratic and loping idle, and at peak power, since adding exhaust gasses robs power from the engine.

Besides reducing pollution and lowering combustion chamber temperature, recirculating exhaust also has the effect of lowering pumping losses. Pumping losses are the work the engine must do to pump the inlet air past the throttle plate. Since EGR lowers power the throttle must be opened wider for a give desired power, meaning the throttle opening is wider so the engine doesn't have to work as hard to inhale the air.
Moreover, with a lower combustion chamber temperature there is less heat loss to the metal walls of the cylinder, the piston, and the cylinder head so that more internal heat is retained to be converted into mechanical work.
Yes we defly have emissions here... and ok great understood... so this just means i cant go and just buy any ol Headers kit for my car..

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Yes we defly have emissions here... and ok great understood... so this just means i cant go and just buy any ol Headers kit for my car..

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Exactly! You will need headers with the A.I.R and EGR provisions. These are usually more expensive than the ones without (AKA.... race headers ) A.I.R and EGR provisions..
Exactly! You will need headers with the A.I.R and EGR provisions. These are usually more expensive than the ones without (AKA.... race headers ) A.I.R and EGR provisions..
more money...😭 thats what i didnt want to hear.. gotta pay to play tho.. any good brands for egr lt headers.?

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more money...�� thats what i didnt want to hear.. gotta pay to play tho.. any good brands for egr lt headers.?

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Most brands make headers with A.I.R and EGR provisions. What engine is this for?
Pacesetter's are good
Kooks are really good,,, but BIG $$
BBK is decent
Doug's is ok
Hedman
Dynatech

If you want them to last, get ceramic coated headers.
I think he has a ls1. I'm going with a set of ceramic coated pacesetters for my ls1.

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Yes i have ls1 in my 02

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Okay so I have a question, my 1995 Z28 is almost ready for an exhaust and I'm not sure what to go with. I'm considering 3 inch duals with glass packs and cutouts. I want the cutouts to be obnoxious but I'm not sure about the duals or glass packs. A. Are duals worth it? And b. Would glass packs or a muffler be better. I want it to sound loud and aggressive I'm just not sure what way to go. The difference in price for duals versus singles would be about 400 bucks so I'm not sure about it. Is it worth it?
Also would the cutout even make a difference using a glass pack?
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Edit: I'm thinking about just forgetting the cutouts entirely. So the new question is is 200 worth it for duals and how are glass packs on the lt1's? They're not too loud are they?
The smaller the glass pack the louder it is


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Ok so I got my long tubes offroad X and magnaflow 14419 mufflers.

What is everybody using for the tips? Or are they turn downs? I need help.

Lemme how everyone finished their exhaust off plz
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Tips

Ok so I got my long tubes offroad X and magnaflow 14419 mufflers.

What is everybody using for the tips? Or are they turn downs? I need help.

Lemme how everyone finished their exhaust off plz
These are my tips
Link:
Brand New Polished Stainless Double Wall Dual Round Exhaust Tip | eBay

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Idk if I use those kinds of tips.. Or do I?
I wanted more of a turndown of that makes sense
Those do look good though lol
My tips won't be seen because it will be dumped before the rear axle
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